Over the years, I have had many conversations with the magazine pushing Jehovah's Witnesses. Both in person and online.......especially on Paltalk. While it has been a relatively long period of time since I have participated in discussions on Paltalk, I was recently reminded of those nights on Paltalk where the subject of patriotism often came up.
As you know, we have just had the Fourth Of July weekend and the Olympics are about to begin soon. Also, Venus and Serena Williams are in the news again with the Wimbledon Tennis championship matches. So how does all of this bring up those nights on Paltalk?.....well.......because Venus and Serena Williams are "devout" Jehovah's Witnesses. No big deal to the average person perhaps.....but......to those who have had any kind of dealings with Jehovah's Witnesses, either in the family or from having discussions about cult groups, this entry to the blog should toss some "new light" or at least a brighter light into their abyss.
Abyss........hmmmm........bottomless pit?
This picture reminded me also of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Sometimes people are told to believe certain things as truth without question or verification. No proof is needed for those who follow a bunch of geezers who claim to be the voice of Jehovah. While they once touted the words "Make Sure Of All Things and Hold Fast To What Is True".......when dealing with a Jehovah's Witness, you quickly discover that those old geezers never meant what they said. When presented with documentation....evidence which not only supports but verifies the facts about any argument with them, they seem to just put on that false smile and change the subject. I have seen this done thousands of times.
As I stated before, Venus and Serena Williams are professional tennis stars and damn good at what they do. They also happen to be Jehovah's Witnesses. Why this is worthy of mention is that every Jehovah's Witness would tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses do not get involved with "worldly" matters such as politics, wars or patriotism. Their sole allegiance is said to be to "Jehovah". Surely, everyone who has ever been to a school is aware that if there is a Jehovah's Witness child in the class, he cannot participate in any holiday activities, birthday celebrations, or standing up with the class for the Pledge Of Allegiance. This is a fact that no Jehovah's Witness would ever deny.
Hmmmmm..........but they DO indeed deny it when told of Venus and Serena Williams, being "devout" Jehovah's Witnesses, and parading around participating in patriotic displays of carrying and waving the American Flag.....smiling.....happy.....and proud of representing their country.Denial.....denial......denial. These pictures do not lie. I even bet that Venus and Serena Williams aren't fibbing when they tell the press that they are "devout" Jehovah's Witnesses. But how is it that Venus and Serena are able to wave the flag and the rest of the cult members cannot? Any other dub in the bunch would be disfellowshipped or at the very least have to sit before a group of elders and get "counselled" for their behavior. My own moron-in-law would deny or try to excuse these pictures.
This is a big problem for Jehovah's Witnesses. What will they do? The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the multi-billion dollar publishing corporation that leads the cult, doesn't appear to want to discuss the issue of Venus and Serena. Instead, the bottom feeders are continually subjected to their control. Here is the rub............surely you know that the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves are what keeps the corporation afloat financially. The average Jehovah's Witness contribution is most likely pale and pitiful compared to the money coughed up by those members such as Prince (yes, THAT Prince) or Venus and Serena Williams. Common sense has got to tell you that the Watchtower would not want to cut off such a large amount of money coming in.
Believe it or not, one Jehovah's Witness tried to explain away the above picture by suggesting that you could "plainly see that Williams showed her disdain for having to pose that way by SITTING on part of the flag"! Imagine that! I have heard all sorts of excuses such as, "she must be inactive" or "she must be unbaptised" or even "disfellowshipped".........hehehe.
The bottom line is this.........Venus and Serena Williams are indeed Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden to do the things that Venus and Serena can do.
And THAT just so happens to show you one simple example of how the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is run by hypocrites.
Print these pictures out and save them for the next Jehovah's Witness that comes to your door.............it is far easier to show them the pictures instead of trying to explain to them that they are taught by those old Watchtower geezers that Jesus is Abaddon (Abaddon is the fallen angel of the abyss) and that their governing body were the locusts of the abyss in Revelation 9.........hehehe..........oh........and the Witnesses themselves have the documentation to back that one up........hehehe.
If you have a comment, feel free to comment. If you are a Jehovah's Witness and have another bullhockey excuse for Venus and Serena, go ahead and comment away. I will make sure your words are posted along with this blog entry.
Oh.......and before anyone tries to claim "they carried the flag because it was part of their job".......that excuse won't flush because if that was the case then every Jehovah's Witness that works in a restaurant would gladly participate in singing "Happy Birthday" to customers. You will have to be better than that.
Don't be too quick to judge the people the Williams sisters "claim" to represent. Anybody can "say" anything. Judas was once a Christian Witness of Jehovah in good standing but he betrayed Jesus and his faith and look how he ended up. Time will also show how the Williams sisters end up. Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization have a fine record of faith without hypocrisy and would not jeopardize that reputation for anything. If they dedicated their lives to Jehovah and got baptized the situation will be handled by the organization in harmony with the Holy Scriptures. If the are not baptized this entire discussion is pointless. In conclusion let me remind everyone that the Bible says: "Let God be found true though every man be found a liar". So no matter how you feel about anyone (or any org.)that claims to represent God, whether justified or not, that does not mean that ultimately we all are individually accountable to the Creator.
ReplyDeleteDear "Anonymous",
ReplyDeleteHere is my response to you.
You write: "Don't be too quick to judge the people the Williams sisters "claim" to represent."
And I tell you: Such remarks are very typical and predictable. It would sound good ordinarily by saying "You cannot judge a book by its cover". I can assure you though, that my commentary is based upon years and years of observation and discussions regarding Jehovah's Witnesses. In particular, when the Williams sisters make very public acknowledgement that they are in fact, Jehovah's Witnesses, and then you suggest we should think otherwise.....well.....you are simply calling them a liar. Wouldn't it have been far easier to have just cut to the chase and wrote "The Williams sisters are liars!"??
You wrote: "Anybody can "say" anything".
Sure they can, and it is up to you to find out the truth of the matter. And when you actually DO, then maybe you can come back and tell us what "fine" sisters they are.
You wrote: "Judas was once a Christian Witness of Jehovah in good standing......"
Here you are implicating that the Williams sisters are the equivalent of Judas. (see above)
Furthermore, your choice of wording reflects your obvious indoctrination by the Watchtower Society. You have been led to believe that Judas was once a Jehovah's Witness. This is balderdash. Christians back in the time that Judas lived, did not have the terminology, nor the corporate names that the Watchtower uses and teaches you to utilize. It is just another form of revising history.
You wrote: "Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization have a fine record of faith...."
Oh really? Do they? Where is that written and documented? Is this to the exclusion of all other organizations where faith is involved? I am sure the Williams sisters have an equivalent "fine" record of faith.
You wrote: "If they dedicated their lives......and got baptized....the situation would be handled by the organization."
Gee.....where do I start to respond to that?...."IF"......you begin with the word "If". That suggests that you want people to believe that the Williams sisters are not Jehovah's Witnesses. And then you suggest that perhaps they are not dedicated to the extent that they have yet to be baptized into your organization. Nice try here.....and I understand why you wrote what you did. all it an attempt at damage control......just in case there are some other Jehovah's Witnesses that happen to read this. You suggest that the explanation for the acts and public display of the Williams sisters are because they, as you want people to believe, are unlike the baptised publisher. The joke is upon you then, because you should have been able to celebrate holidays, birthdays, and other traditional things while being an unbaptised publisher. This excuse just doesn't flush. Furthermore, thank you for pointing out that Jehovah's Witnesses each are taught that the "organization" lays judgement upon them.
You wrote: "....that does not mean that ultimately we all are individually acountable to the Creator."
Okay......here i realize that you probably did not intend to write this. Surely you meant to write that......we ARE ALL accountable to the Creator.....and not that any of this "does not mean that".
Well.....thanks for your response to the blog entry regarding the Williams sisters. Oh......by the way........I hope you realize that you contradicted yourself. First. you say that the Williams sisters "will be handled" by the organization.....and then you tell me that we "all" are accountable to the Creator.
Once again, I have to remind myself that Jehovah's Witnesses, for some odd reason, equate the "organization" (Watchtower Society), with the Creator.
Yep.....that there is a major problem....and maybe another blog entry in the future.
God Bless
I'm a Witness and I wouldn't walk around with a flag. What those two do really doesn't bother me. And besides, I could say that I was anything. Perhaps the williams girls are liars, or perhaps not, and just a little screwed up in their thinking. Either way, what they do is of no importance. People have tried to reason the same way that you have to me in the past, and these petty ideas of yours hold no water. Even if some imperfect humans don't deal properly with this situation (and I suspect they were dealt with), who cares- Jehovah is watching them, and he's going to be the ultimate decision maker. He's watching you too...
ReplyDeleteDear "Anonymous",
ReplyDeleteAs you can see, I have also posted your comment here. I shall address your commentary.
Anonymous said:
"I am a Witness and I wouldn't walk around with a flag."
My response:
Of course not.......you are not a Williams sister.......take notice what I wrote about "bottom feeders".
Anonymous said:
"What those two do really doesn't bother me"
My response:
Hmmmmm........surely you must be a fan of your sisters of faith.....well....aren't you?
Anonymous said:
"And besides, I could say I was anything."
My response:
Sure you could, but I have never met a soul that was so bold to others that they are a Jehovah's Witness when they weren't. Here comes the "liar" part, eh?
Anonymous said:
"Perhaps the Williams girls are liars, or perhaps not, and just a little screwed up in their thinking."
My response:
I knew you would write that. Reread my blog post....I pretty much predicted this. Isn't it odd that you immediately go up against the Williams sisters instead of questioning your organization about these things?
Anonymous said:
"Either way, what they do is of no importance."
My response:
This fibbing has to stop :)
Seriously.......according to your organization, what each and every Witness does is extremely important. I cannot recall ever being presented with any documentation that suggests that you, as a Witness, can be "worldly".....especially in the public eye.
Anonymous said:
"People have tried to reason the same way that you have to me in the past, and these petty ideas of yours hold no water."
My response:
I smell some condescension spewing forth. I understand. It is far easier to rattle off stuff like that when you really have no clue as to how to actually refute the facts of the matter. Seriously, for one, I have no idea how it is possible that anyone could even get the notion that anything I have written here was any attempt at "reasoning". Where did you come up with that idea?
Secondly, "petty ideas"???? Could you point out, specifically, one "idea" that you are referring to?
Thirdly, you wrote "in the past", which I get the impression that if a person is repeatedly trying to be "reasoned" with, then.....that person must have some sort of problem where people cannot seen to "reason" with them. Hmmmmmmm. Sounds like a difficult problem to have.....I am glad I never have to be "reasoned" with. Again........just where did you get the "idea" that I was trying to "reason" with you, in particular??
Anonymous wrote:
"Even if some imperfect humans don't deal properly with this situation (and I suspect they were dealt with), who cares- Jehovah is watching them....."
My response:
Now which ones are those "imperfect humans" you are referring to? And how often does one get to be "imperfect" before you get disfellowshipped? "Who cares?"....well.......obviously you care about something.....enough so that you responded to what I have written. See?
Now about that "who cares" stuff. Why didn't you offer up "Jehovah cares!"???? After all, if he didn't care, then there would be no rules......no commandments......no sacrifice......well.....no bible, right?
Is it safe to say that "Jehovah is just watching"??? or would it be better to say that the Lord works in mysterious ways. ......perhaps even moving people to write on blogs about the alleged Jehovah's Witnesses and moving them to consider what they are doing. Personally, I think it is a safe bet to believe that God is not asleep at the wheel.
Anonymous said:
"He's watching you too."
My response:
Yep......He sure is......and I am pretty darned delighted :)
Wow! All I have to say is that, I really enjoy studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and love attending their Kingdom Hall.
ReplyDeleteBut, I totally agree with your post on the Williams Sisters. I'm not a devouted Jehovah's Witness, but being the in between, I can say that you make a good point that needs to be addressed and questioned by other witnesses that have been disfellowshiped for doing worldly things.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment. See my response below:
You wrote: "Wow! All I have to say is that, I really enjoy studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and love attending their Kingdom Hall."
My response: Regarding "studying the bible", I have never heard a JW or even a former JW ever say that they actually went to a Hall and studied the bible. Sure, a JW would say that they study the bible at the Hall, but after a short discussion with them, you find out that they actually "study" the current issues of the magazine or "study" a particular Watchtower published book or commentary.
You wrote: "But, I totally agree with your post on the Williams Sisters.
My response: I am delighted.
You wrote: "I'm not a devouted Jehovah's Witness, but being the in between, I can say that you make a good point that needs to be addressed and questioned by other witnesses that have been disfellowshiped for doing worldly things."
My response: Thanks for agreeing that I make a good point. Unfortunately, it is not likely that it will ever be addressed. While it may be questioned by current JWs or "studies" such as yourself, ultimately, as history has shown, there is total disregard for those who had been disfellowshipped in the past for such Orwellian trivial things. Humans should always question authority.......and they should demand that wrongs be set straight. One thing that many folks forget, whether you are a Baptist, a JW, a Mormon, or a Catholic, and that is that the "church" is not a corporate entity. The "church" is the people. And when you are a "member" of the "church", YOU are as much the "church" as any elder or priest. In other words, YOU get from it what YOU put into it. A corporate entity only gives you what it wants to give you.
Have a fantastic day!
Ok, I have been trying to find a way to get the JW's out, I have come to the belief that half of what they say is False. I now attend a Christian Fellowship Church. This is a church who listen's to the word, and sing's and Dance's for our Lord. The Jw's don't, well they sing but, in one key only.. no dancing, nothing...
ReplyDeleteSee, this lady keeps coming by and trying to preach her NWT to me. In KJV they use the word Blessed are those: etc. and the NWT say Happy.. I'm sorry but, I would rather Jesus Bless us the say be Happy...
Any ways.. I am to polite to slam the door in her face. so,...
My Question is?
What can I say.. to get her to see I just don't believe what she does. I have told her that I will still celebrate: Christmas, Birthday's, Easter, I even keep my American Flag up..(On that note, If it wasn't for that American Flag and all the men and women that died for that flag. What type of freedom would they have. It is because of that we ALL have that freedom it represents..) I have expressed that I was having second thoughts about JW's... and she still pushs... Please help me, give me advise on what will stop her in her tracks and see I am a true Christian women. Not a JW.. She is pushy and I don't know what to say...Help me.
One with Jesus.
ChristineRoper,
ReplyDeleteThanks for leaving a comment. You will find my responses below:
You wrote: Ok, I have been trying to find a way to get the JW's out, I have come to the belief that half of what they say is False.
My response: There is no magic bullet in getting a JW out of the organization. Most of what they believe is false and it is the organization itself that does the most in getting JWs out.
You wrote: I now attend a Christian Fellowship Church. This is a church who listen's to the word, and sing's and Dance's for our Lord. The Jw's don't, well they sing but, in one key only.. no dancing, nothing...
My response: Ahhhh those so-called Kingdom Melodies......hehehe. Yep......boring stuff.
You wrote: See, this lady keeps coming by and trying to preach her NWT to me.
My response: I believe the word "preach" does not apply to what JWs do at the door. What they do is try to hook you and indoctrinate you.
You wrote: In KJV they use the word Blessed are those: etc. and the NWT say Happy.. I'm sorry but, I would rather Jesus Bless us the say be Happy...
My response: The NWT is the equivalent of an abortion.
You wrote: Any ways.. I am to polite to slam the door in her face. so,...
My Question is?
What can I say.. to get her to see I just don't believe what she does.
My response: Slamming the door only makes a JW feel that they are being persecuted. The Society has it ingrained in them that such "persecution" is a verification that they are on the right path. You are far better off to simply say "No thanks, I do not join book clubs" and close the door.
You wrote: I have told her that I will still celebrate: Christmas, Birthday's, Easter, I even keep my American Flag up..(On that note, If it wasn't for that American Flag and all the men and women that died for that flag. What type of freedom would they have. It is because of that we ALL have that freedom it represents..)
My response: In other words, you have informed her that you are a free person.
You wrote: I have expressed that I was having second thoughts about JW's... and she still pushs...
My response: She still pushes because she thinks that you have given her a window of opportunity from the start of it all. Nip that in the bud and tell her that you have no desire to do as she does by rejecting the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, and believing that Jesus is the fallen angel of the abyss.
You wrote: Please help me, give me advise on what will stop her in her tracks and see I am a true Christian women. Not a JW.. She is pushy and I don't know what to say...Help me.
My response: As I stated previously, there is no magic bullet. But having said that, there are some things you can do to stop her. In a JW's eyes, you are less of a threat to them than a person who was once a JW and is now disfellowshipped. Disfellowshipped JWs are shunned and viewed as bad association. At this point though, you may have given her too much information about yourself already and you may well have to be brutally honest with her. Try telling her that if she persists on bothering you that you will proceed with some litigation against both her and her organization if she refuses to stop pestering you. As far as doing or saying anything to get her out of the organization......your desire to help her is honorable but it is more likely that the organization itself, with it's Orwellian abuses, will go farther than you in getting her out. Even still, there are some that remain in that fold. I would go as far to say that those that stay in that fold deserve to be there.
God Bless.
My simple commment is this,a Jehovah's Witness is someone who confesses his dedication to Jehovah God through his son Jesus Christ. The dedication is to Jehovah, not the religion or the annointed that you call "old geezers". Once you make that dedication, it's up to you to live up to it. No Jehovah's Witness should have to answer for how another Witness lives his or her life. All a Witness can do is preach what the Bible says. We all have a choice. Venus and Serena have chosen to carry the U.S. flag and be patriotic, competitive, and participate in activities that the organization generally discourages because of the detrimental effect it has on your relationship to Jehovah. Now many Catholics, Baptists, etc, do exactly the same thing but I don't see them being raked over the coals by you?
ReplyDeleteI am not a Jehovah's Witness. I was raised by a Jehovah's Witness. I did not get baptized because I was not ready to make the kind of commitment to God that baptism requires. I also had some fundamental problems with how certain scriptures were interpreted. That's my personal choice. But, Jehovah's Witnesses overall, are a group of people who at least try to put God first. That's something to be admired not met with derision.
Lastly, any Jehovah's Witness will tell you that you give Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God. A true Jehovah's Witness would never desecrate the flag or sit on the flag to show disrespect because that's irreverent to this country and this country's authority. Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to obedient, pay taxes, and revere authority, unless authority asks them to disobey God. So, if you're going to print something, print it right.
Additionally, you have called Jehovah's Witnesses magazine pushers. Well, if you're going to tell something, tell it all. Firstly, everything that is stated in the magazine is backed up by scripture. You're not supposed to read the magazine without the Bible. Secondly, they also have books, tapes, CDs, DVDs, pamphlets, daily texts, etc. So, why single out the magazines?
ReplyDeleteObviously, you have a vendetta against the organization. So, I would admonish anyone who reads your blog to consider the source before they make up their mind about this religion. Any organization needs money to survive, but the brothers that lead the organization aren't living lavish lives in mansions and driving fancy cars. The money that goes into the organization is spent on the organization. Many donations come from those outside of the organization, as well. So, your claim that the only reason Venus, Serena, and Prince are allowed to be witnesses is because of their donations is laughable. First of all, there's not demand of witnesses to give a part of their income to the organization. So, we don't know how much money Venus, Serena, or Prince give to the organization. Or, if it's significant enough to make them financially unable to be disassociated from. This organization has been in existence way before Venus and Serena were even born, it found a way to survive before them and it'll survive without them, if it ever happens that they leave the organization.
Choosing a religion is a heartfelt and sometimes painful journey. Using Bible aids to study is done by almost all religions,it's not exclusive to Jehovah's Witnesses. The Bible is a difficult tome to tackle. There are 66 books in the Bible. Part are Hebrew scriptures and other other part are Greek Scriptures. The study of the Bible should not be done without Bible aids, teachers/scholars, and prayer for Jehovah's Holy Spirit to guide.
I for one, appreciate the effort Jehovah's Witnesses make to illuminate the Bible through the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society's scholarship (meaning source of knowledge). Lastly, don't forget that it is because of JW's unrelenting efforts to make sure of religious freedoms through lawsuits that many religions have the freedomes they have today in the U.S. based on the Constitution's guaranteed right to freedom of religion.
Greetings Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote: "My simple commment is this,a Jehovah's Witness is someone who confesses his dedication to Jehovah God through his son Jesus Christ. The dedication is to Jehovah, not the religion or the annointed that you call "old geezers"."
My response: Are you suggesting here that a Jehovah's Witness can be a Jehovah's Witness WITHOUT the Watchtower organization? Surely, you do know otherwise. Let's face it......you ain't a JW until you take the plunge and get baptised "into" the "organization".
You wrote: "Once you make that dedication, it's up to you to live up to it. No Jehovah's Witness should have to answer for how another Witness lives his or her life."
My response: I might agree with you....however.....you surely know that every JW is subjected to the scrutiny of other JWs and ultimately the judgement of the elders.
You wrote: "All a Witness can do is preach what the Bible says.
My response: That is a laughable statement. The majority of JWs never "preach". They merely parrot ingrained selling points which they practice at those meetings.
You wrote: "We all have a choice."
My response: Oh yeah.......unfortunately some choices have major repurcussions as a result.
You wrote: "Venus and Serena have chosen to carry the U.S. flag and be patriotic, competitive, and participate in activities that the organization generally discourages because of the detrimental effect it has on your relationship to Jehovah."
My response: "Discourages"?? Once again, you do not mention that there is a price to pay for the rank and file JW that make such a choice.
You wrote: "Now many Catholics, Baptists, etc, do exactly the same thing but I don't see them being raked over the coals by you?
My response: You seem to suggest some sort of need for a "fairness doctrine" here on my blog.....hehehe......yet I get no thanks or appreciation for including opposing viewpoints such as your own. Amazing, yet very typical and expected that you would try the ole "hey look at the Catholics and Baptists too." as if JWs are the same as they are.
You wrote: "I am not a Jehovah's Witness."
My response: Congratulations.
You wrote: "I was raised by a Jehovah's Witness."
My response: I suppose this comment was your qualifier. Did I mention that I had two sisters that were JWs for a combined 40 years?
You wrote: "I did not get baptized because I was not ready to make the kind of commitment to God that baptism requires."
My response: Hmmm.
You wrote: "I also had some fundamental problems with how certain scriptures were interpreted. That's my personal choice."
My response: Now yer talkin".
You wrote: "But, Jehovah's Witnesses overall, are a group of people who at least try to put God first. That's something to be admired not met with derision."
My response: Let's see.....I could use such logic by stating that I am someone that tries to sing well.....even though I cannot sing well......but since I DO sing "Happy Birthday" very well, others should not criticize me and simply accept that I am a great singer......hehehehe.......sorry.....that isn't gonna work.
You wrote: "Lastly, any Jehovah's Witness will tell you that you give Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God. A true Jehovah's Witness would never desecrate the flag or sit on the flag to show disrespect because that's irreverent to this country and this country's authority."
My response: Well......apparently there are alleged "true" JWs that would.
You wrote: "Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to obedient, pay taxes, and revere authority, unless authority asks them to disobey God.
My response: "Supposed"......good choice of words there. Thus...if Venus and Serena were "true" JWs, they would "supposedly" not tote the flag around since such activity is "discouraged".
You wrote: "So, if you're going to print something, print it right."
My response: I believe I have printed everything correctly. You have done nothing to negate anything that I have written here. You have merely offered up your own commentary. Thanks.
who gave you the right to disect and judge every word that a imperfect human as yourself has written? if we have as you said the right to question autority and beliefs and ideas I chose to live you alone with your ego and your belief that you are God, whom does not make mistakes, the truth is I don' even know Why I bother writing this to such a person as yourself. One more thing, when time comes, remember every word you have uttered blaspheming God and the people who struggle not to be as rotten as the world has become.
ReplyDeleteGreetings Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou asked: "who gave you the right to disect and judge every word that a imperfect human as yourself has written?"
My response: Hmmmm.....actually, I DO have that right. Should I take it that as a JW you do not have such rights as well? I get the impression that you are reaching for that "the Watchtower and JWs are "imperfect" excuse and I cannot blame you. Of course they are imperfect and as "God's sole channel of communication" they seem to frequently get their wires crossed up.
You wrote: "if we have as you said the right to question autority and beliefs and ideas I chose to live you alone with your ego and your belief that you are God, whom does not make mistakes,"
My response: Hmmmmm again......(just a little advice here for you.......never write when your feathers are ruffled.....your words get a bit scrambled and you come off as either needing medication or overdosing on your current meds.)....1. I should hope that everyone has an ego, including yourself. 2. I have no idea where you come up with the notion that I somehow believe I am God.....that is pretty ridiculous to say, even that you are a JW saying it. For the record, I have never professed to be God but one of my daughters once believed that I could make the rain stop.....hehehe. 3. And yes, JWs have the same rights as everyone else in general.....except for the fact that you really do not have many of those rights in your organization.
You wrote: "the truth is I don't even know Why I bother writing this to such a person as yourself."
My response: That's a great question to ask yourself. Could it be that you are like a moth to a flame?......or maybe deep down inside you know that you are in denial of the truth of the matter and find it frustrating to not be able to refute facts.
You wrote: "One more thing, when time comes, remember every word you have uttered blaspheming God and the people who struggle not to be as rotten as the world has become."
My response: Ahhhh this is where the typical dub tries to cast their curse on the rest of society......how nice. Let's get this straight.......it is never good to go on the internet and read and respond to blogs while under the influence of who knows what kind of medication you are on.......or maybe you NEED and suffer from a lack thereof.....got that? There is not one word anywhere on my blog that "blasphemes" God. If there was, you could quote it word for word and show everyone......but of course, you can't do such a thing. As to the world being rotten......is sure is. Speaking of the world.......are you enjoying being a part of it? I, for one, "when my time comes", will not have to try to explain to Jesus how JWs believe that He is the fallen angel of the abyss and why JWs have rejected His flesh and blood for many, many years. Nope.....not me........but I would sureley love to watch you trying to explain that stuff when your time comes :)
Signtopia,
ReplyDeleteYou indicate gross disrespect for the New World Translation. Did you know that recently on "Jeopardy!" there was the answer "New World Translation." Question was, "What is the most accurate Bible translation?" So...Bible research scholars, not JWs, did the research and voila! the results!
impartialparty, you are gonna have to come up with something better than that. First, the Watchtower corporation has no bible scholars in the eyes of reknowned bible scholars.....none. So there was never any way for the "translating committee to even be able to translate koine Greek, much less understand it. Think about how few JWs there are in Greece. Secondly, I doubt that any Jeopardy question and answer, if it actually existed, would have mentioned anything about deriving such question and answer from a "bible research scholar" Your comment is therefore declared BOGOSITY.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, you might want to visit the following blog regarding this same issue:
ReplyDeletehttp://wiredforstereo.blogspot.com/2007/08/most-accurate-bible-translation.html
Here's a sample:
"I cannot find any evidence that the question about whether the most accurate version of the Bible is on Jeopardy ever occurred. Honestly, I don't expect to. I seriously doubt a secular game show would ever touch the question. Surely, if such a question ever existed, (I recieved the email months ago) it would have appeared on YouTube by now, which it hasn't, and you can do your own search, but I didn't find it."
"So, is the NWT the most accurate "translation" of the Bible? In a word, no."
"Why? Very simple. It is not true to the words in the original text. You see, I'd have much less discomfort with Witnesses and their bible if they simply translated the text true to the words and then took their own meaning from it. This however, is not what they do, they translate a meaning into the text when that is not the role of translation. Here's an example: John 8:58. Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I am." Look at the "I am" part. That's the key. You see, that is a direct allusion to Exodus 3:14 where Moses asks God what his name is and he says "I am." The NWT changes both of these, John to "I have been" and Exodus to "I shall prove to be." The problem is that the very same I am that Jesus uses in this case is the very same I am that he uses when he says I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life, and I am the good Shepherd among others, even in the same chapter. You see, the pharisees and such knew that Jesus was claiming to be God when he said that, that's why they tried to kill him. And that single verse represents everything that I dislike about the NWT. It's not simple prejudice or some misguided religious fanaticism, the NWT is simply not true to the words of the text, forget what the text means, it's not true to the words of the text. There are 237 examples specifically. The divine name never appears in any manuscript of the New Testament, but it appears in the NWT 237 times. It's not in the originals, therefore it should not be there. It's as simple as that."
ReplyDelete"So what is a good version of the Bible to read? Just about any one that suits you except the NWT. I myself prefer the English Standard Version, because it tries to follow the subtle nuances of the original text even following some grammatical errors. There are a few places where I disagree with the translation because of the use of specific words or phrases which I think are significant, but even in those places, it still has the notes at the bottom that says what the word for word translation or alternate translations are. Otherwise, if you'd like to get a good idea of the original text, or just a good read, get a parallel edition that has two to four versions side by side. But honestly, any version that does not confuse the reader with ancient language (KJV) or obscure the truth (NWT) is a good version. It used to be that people complained about the KJV because you couldn't understand it, but that is no longer an excuse."
ReplyDelete"So that's all I got to say about that, for now. Keep studying, keep checking. Email forwards are almost invariably dishonest. No Jeopardy question by Alex Trebek, Jason BeDuhn is in the minority opinion, and the New World Translation is NOT the most accurate "translation" of the Bible. Much more to be said, but this is just a quick post that explores a single verse, and points out the obviousness of the Jeopardy! question."
"The Jeopardy question did not happen. Anecdotal evidence is notoriously unreliable. Beside people who claim they saw it, answer me these: On what date was it broadcast? Was it Jeopardy or Double Jeopardy? What was the category? What was the dollar amount? What dope of a writer would put such a highly contested question in a national game show? There is never a question on that show that does not have an uncontested, concrete and verified answer. Use your critical thinking skills. I watch the show regularly, I've done as exhaustive of a search as I can for evidence that it ever happened, and it simply didn't. It didn't happen."
impartialparty, Somebody....maybe you.....maybe the Watchtower....has been participating in what is known as an "internet myth".
Wow its not shocking to see an old geezer be so against a specific religion. :) Everyone is allowed to their opinions, so obviously you're entittled to it. Although you've "studied" this for many years, you should know that there is a lot of hypocrasy on all other religions. Like why do religions support war? Isn't it wrong to go and kill people? The military brainwashes their "soldiers" (or puppets) :) into thinking that its okay to take someone elses life away. So why not go agaisnt that instead of going agaisnt a religion who is pro-peace? Yeah there are terrorists out there and a few bad people, but that's no excuse. :) And now that i mention it, Muslims or whatever the hell they are, they teach that blowing yourself up and killing everyone who isn't part of their religion is good. And we ALL know that's wrong, so why not go agaisnt them like you are with the JW's? Something else to think about. :)
ReplyDeleteAs far as the sisters, I can boldly claim to everyone that I'm a devoted vegetarian while eating a steak. :) But just because i boldly claim to be one in front of everyone, it must be true right? And that the vegetarian community is WRONG and we should be agaisnt it right? :))
So far the JW's have been a good example when compared to the other bs religions. It's kinda funny to see how easily people go agaisnt them. When you see someone in the news, and they happen to be a JW, they always mention that. But when you see a stupid jackass in the news who went on a killing spree, they never mention that he was a catholic, or buddist or some other religion. Why is that? :) Hypocrasy maybe? And if you say that because the JW's teach peace is the reason why the mention it, then I'm a little confused.. Don't all the other religions teach that? And if not, aren't they all a bunch of nazis and baby killers? so to speak. :) lol.
So think about that, if you're agaisnt the JW's you should be agaisnt any other kind of religion because the facts are there that the other religions are hypocrits. And if you are in fact agaisnt church's in general, why are you telling people to read any other kind of bibles? Maybe this old geezer is a hypocrit. :) haha.
Howdy Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI would respond to you here, but I have decided that you deserve your own page. Look for your comment and my responses in the blog posts for September 2009.
i got to the point to believe that you really really hate JW,and i bet you're a exJW, cos you dont dont really have a point on what your talking about,this is between serena ,her sister williams and jehova, not between you and the organization,im not a JW but i can see what's going on, you just hate them with not reason,you want people to leave JW because what the williams just did ? you're so stupid, not a JW can respond for the williams action,only the williams can.
ReplyDeleteSigntopia, I understand where you are coming from- displaying a curious mix of cynicsm and stubborn ignorance. I have associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for several years now and have come to the conclusion that as a people and an organisation they represent to the greatest extent possible (as mere humans that they are)what true religion is and can be. The foundation of their faith rests firmly on a largely accurate and sincere interpretation of God's Word; this is not merely an article of faith. The bible book of Romans states that what can be known about God is seen from His creation. I cannot think of any other religion whose teachings are validated by science. Yes it is easy for you and others of your ilk to mouth disparate verses of the Holy Scriptures as evidence for your distorted philosophies and false doctrines but you should know that the truth of God's Word is wholistic and its essence speaks to the hearts of those who seek Him in trueness. I'd guess that if you were around in Jesus' time you'd be no different from the Pharisees who disparaged him at every turn.
ReplyDeleteConcerning the Williams' sisters, I was very suprised to learn that they were Jehovah's Witnesses, and I do not hesistate to say that they are a poor advertisement for an otherwise fine organisation. The matter of their disloyalty to Jehovah's commandments (yes, not Watchtower's)as despicable as it is, is not for us to judge. You seem to suggest that it is because of their wealth and fame that they were not sanctioned or reprimanded. While I do not speak for the organisation, I can think of several reasons why that should be so, but I guess it won't cut ice with you. Listening to the BBC some years ago, I heard of some Witnesses who have given up competitive sports as a result of their faith and hope in God's promises; others have shunned lucrative careers and popularity to cleave on to mankind's only hope.If some would hold fast to worldly things, that is their decision and not an indictment on the organisation.
Beyond mere logical abstractions, you cannot deny that the message Jehovah's Witnesses bring to people's doorsteps represents a marked departure from the deceitful prosperity preaching evangelists or the self-first theology and crass commercialism of the modern world. It turns attention to the only sure hope for mankind and this world's future. It is restorative and refreshing, just as God's truth ought to be. You'll do well to pay greater heed.
Anonymous writes:"Signtopia, I understand where you are coming from- displaying a curious mix of cynicsm and stubborn ignorance."
ReplyDeleteMy response: I love it when JW apologetics start out with some condescending remark. Somehow I really do believe Anonymous "understands" where I am coming from, but just cannot admit that everything I have written regarding JWs is truthful.
Anonymous writes: "I have associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for several years now and have come to the conclusion that as a people and an organisation they represent to the greatest extent possible (as mere humans that they are)what true religion is and can be."
My response: "associated"? hehehe
Anonymous writes: "The foundation of their faith rests firmly on a largely accurate and sincere interpretation of God's Word; this is not merely an article of faith."
My response: Oh really? Nice spin, however it doesn't hold up to scrutiny though.
Anonymous writes: "The bible book of Romans states that what can be known about God is seen from His creation. I cannot think of any other religion whose teachings are validated by science."
My response: Validated by science?.......you must be joking......is this where the pyramid measurements were used to come up with that 1914 date?
Anonymous writes: "Yes it is easy for you and others of your ilk to mouth disparate verses of the Holy Scriptures as evidence for your distorted philosophies and false doctrines but you should know that the truth of God's Word is wholistic and its essence speaks to the hearts of those who seek Him in trueness."
My response: "ilk"......well....I suppose you can't label me an "apostate"......by the way. would you mind citing where I have ever used a disparate verse of the Scriptures?
Anonymous writes: "I'd guess that if you were around in Jesus' time you'd be no different from the Pharisees who disparaged him at every turn".
My response: So far, nothing you have commented has anything to do with what I have written on the blog.......Instead, you seem to have a condescending attitude about yourself.........is that from being "associated" for so long a time?
Anonymous writes: "Concerning the Williams' sisters, I was very suprised to learn that they were Jehovah's Witnesses, and I do not hesistate to say that they are a poor advertisement for an otherwise fine organisation."
My response: Ahhhh finally.....a comment about the Williams sisters!.....you were surprised? That's interesting. I notice you have chosen to use the word "fine" to describe that corporation you have been "associated" with for so long......hehehe. I now have to wonder if the Williams sisters use that word often.
Anonymous writes:"Signtopia, I understand where you are coming from- displaying a curious mix of cynicsm and stubborn ignorance."
ReplyDeleteMy response: I love it when JW apologetics start out with some condescending remark. Somehow I really do believe Anonymous "understands" where I am coming from, but just cannot admit that everything I have written regarding JWs is truthful.
Anonymous writes: "I have associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for several years now and have come to the conclusion that as a people and an organisation they represent to the greatest extent possible (as mere humans that they are)what true religion is and can be."
My response: "associated"? hehehe
Anonymous writes: "The foundation of their faith rests firmly on a largely accurate and sincere interpretation of God's Word; this is not merely an article of faith."
My response: Oh really? Nice spin, however it doesn't hold up to scrutiny though.
Anonymous writes: "The bible book of Romans states that what can be known about God is seen from His creation. I cannot think of any other religion whose teachings are validated by science."
My response: Validated by science?.......you must be joking......is this where the pyramid measurements were used to come up with that 1914 date?
Anonymous writes: "Yes it is easy for you and others of your ilk to mouth disparate verses of the Holy Scriptures as evidence for your distorted philosophies and false doctrines but you should know that the truth of God's Word is wholistic and its essence speaks to the hearts of those who seek Him in trueness."
My response: "ilk"......well....I suppose you can't label me an "apostate"......by the way. would you mind citing where I have ever used a disparate verse of the Scriptures?
Anonymous writes: "I'd guess that if you were around in Jesus' time you'd be no different from the Pharisees who disparaged him at every turn".
My response: So far, nothing you have commented has anything to do with what I have written on the blog.......Instead, you seem to have a condescending attitude about yourself.........is that from being "associated" for so long a time?
Anonymous writes: "The matter of their disloyalty to Jehovah's commandments (yes, not Watchtower's)as despicable as it is, is not for us to judge."
ReplyDeleteMy response: I sort of agree with you there......however, you do not address the hypocracy of the organization where JWs are routinely judged by the elders. If you really believe that it is not for "us" to judge, then you might want to tell that to the elders the next time you see them.
Anonymous writes: "You seem to suggest that it is because of their wealth and fame that they were not sanctioned or reprimanded."
My response: It sure looks that way.......unless, of course, there is ever some official statement from the corporation they serve.
Anonymous writes: "While I do not speak for the organisation, I can think of several reasons why that should be so, but I guess it won't cut ice with you."
My response: Of course you cannot speak for the organization. And the organization hasn't addressed the controversy and has chosen instead to leave the ice uncut.
Anonymous writes: "Listening to the BBC some years ago, I heard of some Witnesses who have given up competitive sports as a result of their faith and hope in God's promises; others have shunned lucrative careers and popularity to cleave on to mankind's only hope."
My response: There you go go with that spin again........I suppose you could say many priests have done the same thing........so how does that have any bearing on anything? By the way, you have conveniently left out the part where the organization not only suggested, but encouraged Jws to give up sports, careers, and education.
Anonymous writes: "If some would hold fast to worldly things, that is their decision and not an indictment on the organisation."
My response: At first I was hoping that you were gonna have a comment that was helpful......just kidding.......I knew you would write what you have written. For the past few years, it has been the "out" for JWs and the organization to cough up the "personal decision" spiel......and on the surface it sounds nice and may tickle some ears, however, as someone who has been "associated" as long as you have, you know full well that the exercise of one's "personal decision" would never hold up as a valid excuse for any JW being judged by a committe of elders.
Anonymous writes: "Beyond mere logical abstractions, you cannot deny that the message Jehovah's Witnesses bring to people's doorsteps represents a marked departure from the deceitful prosperity preaching evangelists or the self-first theology and crass commercialism of the modern world."
My response: Doesn't that depend on what message you are referring to? I wonder what that could be?
Anonymous writes: "It turns attention to the only sure hope for mankind and this world's future."
My response: Please.....are you sure you have only been "associated"? I would bet that you are a full fledged JW.
Anonymous writes: "It is restorative and refreshing, just as God's truth ought to be. You'll do well to pay greater heed."
My response: A nice tall glass of water is restorative and refreshing as well..........but a few drops of arsenic in that glass of water.......well.....let's just say......it ain't as good as you might think.
Thanks for commenting. Readers will be the judge of it............uh......wait.......hmmm......you are the one that said it is not for "us" to judge stuff...............oh well.......now you really have a problem.
God Bless
This blog would have been worthy of mulling over if you didn't show such close-mindedness. You should have just disabled commenting.
ReplyDeleteTo yet another "Anonymous" commenter:
ReplyDelete"Close-mindedness"??......you must be kidding. Jehovah's Witnesses are rather close-minded perhaps except it doesn't appear that Venus and Serena are. So for you, I guess that in your world, anyone that opposes or writes anything about Jehovah's Witnesses or your corporate book club the Watchtower Society, is "close-minded". Apparently you are a JW.....and like a moth attracted to a flame.......visit any website or blog that mentions your cult. I would never disable commenting on this blog because commenters such as yourself make my case. So far, and it has been a long time since I wrote this particular post, not one comment of yours or anyone else, has been able to negate anything that I have written. Also, of all of the entries on this blog, this particular subject has had the most responses. The majority of readers opt to simply not respond at all. Those same readers also happen to see and read the comments, just as you have done. Surely you must know that those readers will weigh what I have written with what the commentators have written. With that said, I must thank you for your contribution to the blog..........hehehe.....you suggested that I "disable" your ability to comment.......now THAT is hilarious.
Now that is what's hilarious! You didn't make your case because guess what? I don't belong to any religion. I read this blog because I happen to like the Williams sisters so I looked them up and this caught my curiosity. You think you're so smart because you come up with a response to every line of comments and you get the last word, but truth is, the topic of the Williams sisters saying they're JWs but don't act like them shouldn't be made into a debate or a reason to bash an entire group. You just really hate them. That's why you have more than one blog about them and instantly assume anyone who leaves a comment is one of them. That's sad. Goodbye to your hate blog.
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteYou wrote: "Now that is what's hilarious! You didn't make your case because guess what? I don't belong to any religion."
My response: The "case" is not about YOU....it is all about the JWs and the Williams sisters......unless, of course, YOU happen to be a JW or have some sort of affiliation with them.
You wrote: "I read this blog because I happen to like the Williams sisters so I looked them up and this caught my curiosity."
My response: I take that as a true statement albeit an incomplete one. What you do not realize is that as a blogger, I use a tool called "Lijit" which gives me all sorts of details about how people actually find my blog. It tells me the location of the reader and what search they typed into Google. For example, I get quite a few searches of "Are Venus and Serena Williams Jehovah's Witnesses".......yet there has never been any searches of only "Williams sisters". This would indicate to me that YOU got here not by just being a Williams sisters fan, but by searching the internet for stuff about them in relation to the Jehovah's Witnesses.
You wrote: "You think you're so smart because you come up with a response to every line of comments and you get the last word,"
My response: "Responding to comments has no bearing on whether I am smart or not. Responding, at the very least, gives you, the commenter, an acknowledgement of your participation. I you thought that anyone could simply "hit and run", you were mistaken. This is where you could have at least thanked me for permitting your commentary for all to see:) As to having the last word........well........duh.....while it is not always the case......you happen to be in MY ballpark and I have that option. If I were in YOUR ballpark YOU would have the same option.
You wrote: "but truth is, the topic of the Williams sisters saying they're JWs but don't act like them shouldn't be made into a debate or a reason to bash an entire group."
My response: Somehow I doubt you would have written that if they were Pentecostal:)
You wrote: "You just really hate them. That's why you have more than one blog about them and instantly assume anyone who leaves a comment is one of them. That's sad. Goodbye to your hate blog."
My response: For the record......so you can go with the facts instead of assuming stuff......I do NOT "hate them". What is true is that I DESPISE the Watchtower corporation....the organization.....the way it operates......what it teaches. As to the people in that.....NO....I do not "hate them".
Also, for the record, contrary to your remarks......I have only ONE blog of which there are only a few blog entries which mention or are about Jehovah's Witnesses or Venus and Serena Williams. The majority of blog entries are about vacations and other stuff. As to the commenters, as I have stated before, overwhelmingly I get comments whenever Jehovah's Witnesses are mentioned in a blog entry......especially this particular one. I am positive that the general public has no interest or concern as to whether or not Venus and Serena Williams are JWs. I DO know that this particular topic is of interest to JWs and those who have some sort of close relationship to them. You can rest assured that if I had entitled the blog entry "People That Are NOT JWs Should Read This" or "Mormons Should Read This" that 1. There would be less comments....and 2. The majority of comments would NOT be coming from JWs.
Perhaps you should do as the Watchtower says, and stay off of the internet and not read anything other than the garbage they produce.
Good Luck.
Would the Jehovah witnesses support a family financially, say to build an extension to their family home because of overcrowding?
ReplyDeleteCon,
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know......absolutely not. I have never heard of such a thing ever happening. Stay tuned to this blog.....I have some recordings of phone calls to Kingdom Halls where you can hear Jehovah's Witnesses themselves answer questions such as "If a homeless or needy person knocked on the door of the Hall, would there be any help for them?"
Their answer is very telling as to what kind of organization they run.
To Signtopia:
ReplyDeleteThank you.
You are welcome Fred
ReplyDeleteI do have to admit, you guys are hilarious. I am a current bible study with the Witnesses and not to waste too much time, but I just want to clarify a few things to you all. If you have spent years and years studying the Witnesses and disputing their beliefs, something might be wrong with your life, because you are so unhappy that you have to actually attack people who are bringing no harm to you.(NO, knocking on your door is not harming you, and if you don't want to hear the message, I guarantee they won't pull a gun and force you) The funny thing, and a faith strengthening fact, is that there are so many websites devoted to persecuting witnesses, people who live a relatively moral and clean lifestyle, and that just drives people crazy. Also, I noticed the comment above that Witnesses don't study the bible, which I absolutely dispute, I have read the FULL bible in a year and I actually understand it, the bible is present at every meeting, and if you say that it is THEIR bible that THEY wrote,that is also incorrect, when I asked originally, they stated that you can bring in any version of the bible that you are comfortable with. Yes, they take in families willingly, they help pay bills, several have offered jobs to others, and in the right circumstances they would take in a homeless person( not an obvious addict or drunk, because no one should be that careless, they aren't idiots) In conclusion, thank you for letting me know that I am pursuing the right way with my life and that there are people with nothing to do with their lives except ridicule something they have no understanding of.
ReplyDeleteThe mixed up wacky world of the Watchtower and its corporate religion. I have seen the stress and unhappy residue this religion causes. And no it is not supported by scripture.
ReplyDeleteWacky indeed. So far, not one JW or any of their prospects have offered up any solid refutation in regards to anything I have written about them. I rest my case. The readers of this blog that have limited knowledge of the Watchtower will be able to see for themselves by what has been written here that it is wacky as it gets. Potential buyers into the Watchtower spiels should beware.
ReplyDeleteHey!
ReplyDeleteYou had been a Jehovah's Witness before okay. you were disfellowshipped, and now you have turned into an apostate!
They have saluted the flag and so what?
shut up! and stop being ridiculous.
To the most recent "Anonymous":
ReplyDeleteOnce again a JW shows up like a moth to the flame and instead of offering anything of substance, launches zilch in defense of anything. I am now truly and fully convinced thanks to your comment that all JWs are morons and deserve to be hoodwinked by the Watchtower. For the record, I have never been, nor ever entertained any such notion or interest in becoming a Jehovah's Witness. Try looking up the definition of "apostate".......my guess is that you never have ever done such a thing. Personally, I have never abandoned my beliefs......ever. On the other hand, YOU most likely have done that your own self simply because the Watchtower does less growing from within and far more recruiting from other belief systems........which makes you organization chock full of "apostates". It is impossible to be "disfellowshipped" from something I have never been any part of. Yes, they sure did celebrate the flag, just as your organization once celebrated it in the past.Unfortunately for you, you cannot negate the facts and you can only go around offering up your feeble and moronic whining. I would give you this though........you might want to try to believe whatever FACTS regarding the Williams sisters that you can get out of Watchtower headquarters.........uh........oh well........don't hold your breath on that......they just won't comment about the issue. Such a helpful bunch of scam artists they are........gotta love it.
Meanwhile, I recommend that you stay a JW as long as you possibly can. Why?.......because the rest of society does not need morons such as yourself roaming about for no reason.
sir i am a JW. my farther jehovah has given myself MANY prophecys. DIANAs death 3 days in advance. the twintowers fall 2 hours in advance. eli manning sbowl win 8 months in advance. (eli mannings win also resembles the bibles(Jehovahs) 1st prophecy. christ striking tyre in the head for the final victory. tyre=satan
Deleteeli symbolic of christ.(elijah) . my most recent?
i predicted the BELMONT race top 4 in order.
(all from a DREAM I HAD) except i had materlirity(2nd). why is it that a man who has loved and preached JEHOVAHS kingdom since he could talk HAS THIS ABILITY AND YOU DO NOT. of course christ tells myself i should not throw my "pearls before swine." . so im gonna show obediance to his farther, listen to his son , and end this post.
sincerly, prophet of jehovah
You call that "pearls"
DeleteROFLMAO
YOUR RIGHT! the wealth of SOLOMON is more like PLATINUM. my bad.
DeleteThey claim to be prophets of god, yet have made around 20 false prophecies and had to eat humble pie many times over the years yet still manage to con people into their religion, makes me laugh. then claim people who claim to be prophets and make false prophecies are basically false religions... talk about beating your own argument with your own crap...
ReplyDeleteOne word Jehovah witnesses... FAIL...
Secondly... if the world was made for us, why did dinosaurs exsist before us? religion is clearly bull made up so we live in fear and allow ourselfs to be run by governing bodies... sorry to burst any bubbles
dear Signtopia,
ReplyDeleteone of those witnesses came to my door, we argued and didnt manage to convince me because he was surprised by the way i replied it seems he wasn't prepared
but he said he's coming back to convince me(he's going to prepare what to say the next time!) and we'll talk about "the world is going to end soon "
i'm don't know what and how to face him with documentations or denie his words
please be king and mail me on joseph_saber@hotmail.com so i can be a match for him lol