For some reason it has been a somewhat rough few weeks. I should not complain. One of my pals has suffered a stroke and is hospitalized..........he is doing pretty good.....considering. Times are getting tougher.......prices rising........lots of turmoil around the world......wars.....quakes.....unrest.......I had a wicked bout of the flu.......days where nothing seems to go right.............aggravation........weather...........need I say more?
I decided to have a little fun here by revisiting the past.
Several years ago I was involved in lots of religious discussions online........so much that I actually hosted a live chat room on the internet where I bantered back and forth with many people of all walks of life......and from all over the world. It was very interesting and I found it to be entertaining as well. It was a good way to waste time.
For some reason the primary focus was on the Jehovah's Witnesses and what they believe or do not believe. Everybody knows that they do the door-to-door thing........but I had discovered that they were also infiltrating the internet......preying on unsuspecting victims. I must say that while there were some very nice Witnesses online they were overshadowed by a high number of vicious venominous Jehovah's Witnesses and their so-called apologetics. The folks at the door would never dare to act as these did online. Nevertheless, there were many major debates over many specific beliefs and teachings. The world online was full of extremely knowledgeable people and students of ancient languages who each would offer up a pissing contest dissecting contexts and ancient words that have long been forgotten. It was amazing at how many self-professed experts in Koine Greek there were......and how scandalous and overbearing many of the participants became over a period of time.
Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses, the problem was that they were all admonished to beware of the internet and for all intents and purposes stay off of the internet and stay out of chat rooms and not mingle with potential "apostates". Of course, some of them would deny such orders just as some still deny that their organization touted that armageddon would occur in 1975. You know the deal.......they said things and yet they didn't say things.....but some heard what they said and believed it dearly. Today they hear things and go as far as to pretend they were never told or taught such.........lying as if they cornered the market on it. This kind of thing makes for alot of arguments......many of which get extremely heated.
A JW would say what he will online and if you asked a JW at your door about what the JW online said......well......they would say stuff like "you can't trust someone online" or "he's probably not in good standing" or "was disfellowshipped". I once asked a JW at my door if there are any real Jehovah's Witnesses online and I was told "No" that they stay away from it. Go figure.
Because of the dilemma between having JWs online and JWs at the door......I figured that I could come up with a way to let Jehovah's Witnesses expose themselves in a way that nobody would doubt the truth of the discussions. Often, I had been called all sorts of names....apostate.....evil.......the devil.......you name it, I have been called it online.......and I often got called a liar. I would get sent private emails where the message was "how come you know so much about us?". I never got an email that said "everything you say about us is wrong".....yet publically I would be castigated and derided for everything I said or did. There was the ultimate way around all of this. Instead of the online JWs attacking me personally and calling me a liar, they would have to attack their own bonafide JWs in the Kingdom Halls for revealing the truth about their beliefs.
It was easy for the online JWs to deny that they are taught to believe that Jesus is the fallen angel of the abyss...........if I said that's what they believe.........BUT they have a hard time denying their "brothers" who confirm such teachings with their own mouths. I merely provided the avenue for such to happem.
I started making phone calls to various Kingdom Hall across the United States and did it LIVE! in the chat room where everyone could hear. Needless to say......the online JWs were not very happy about it.
Fortunately, somebody managed to record some of these calls including calls by others. I held these recordings on the backburner for many years now and I decided that some of these calls and some of the assorted parodies that I created should be shared with the world.
I have always said regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society that "Nothing does as much harm to them than their own words." And that goes for both the written word and the spoken word.
Here is the first of what will be a series of videos. Feel free to comment about what you hear on the video.
As of this date, I have no information that Jehovah's Witnesses believe anything contrary to what is confirmed on these videos........in other words.......if they have gotten any "new light" recently......hehehe.
In this video the phone call is regarding their "Memorial" which is the only day that they celebrate anything.........unfortunately......they celebrate the DEATH of Christ! Furthermore, you will hear that is it "not advisable" for anyone to partake of the symbolic flesh and blood of Christ which is passed around at the Memorial. These "emblems" are rejected by the Witnesses.
No sooner than I finished uploading yesterday's blog post, I received yet another anonymous comment about what I had written about Jehovah's Witnesses. Of all of the assorted stuff I have written about so far, it is the posts that I write about Jehovah's Witnesses that gets the overwhelming majority of comments. Now before any Jay-Dubs go getting their pants wet thinking that people are interested in them........let me explain and make it clear. The comments that I receive have been from Witnesses themselves........and maybe a few "apologists" or "defenders" of the Watchtower. Needless to say, I encourage readers here to offer up some comments...........both pro or con............I do not reject any comment. I will delete expletives that are over the edge and still post your comment.
Probably the most interesting things about whatever I have posted about Jehovah's Witnesses here, are the comments. To make my case against this cult group, there is nothing better than their own words. If I make a claim and declare that it is true, I fully expect that a dissenting opinion would come forth and make the case where I am wrong...........of course, IF I am wrong. When I am NOT wrong, I typically get some delirious moron attempting to divert from the facts and "kill the messenger". Back in July of 2008, I wrote the post entitled "Jehovah's Witnesses Should Read This". If you would like to view that post with all of the comments that ensued, just check the archive list found at the right side of your screen. With the arrival of the latest comment, I decided to give that comment its own page here.......lest it gets lost in the muck.
So here it goes.......here is the latest comment from an anonymous "defender" of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Inc. and its followers known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
(My own responses to the commentary will be shown as well.)
Anonymous writes: "Wow its not shocking to see an old geezer be so against a specific religion. :) Everyone is allowed to their opinions, so obviously you're entittled to it."
Signtopia Says: I am only "half-old", but yes, I am entitled to my opinions.
Anonymous writes: "Although you've "studied" this for many years, you should know that there is a lot of hypocrasy on all other religions."
Signtopia Says: You can rest assured that it has been many years. Of course there is hypocracy to be found in just about all religions. Did you notice though, that I was specifically writing about the Jehovah's Witnesses?..........who, by the way, believe that they alone serve God and all other religious groups serve Satan.
Anonymous writes: "Like why do religions support war?"
Signtopia Says: Fair question..........and some might even ask why God supports the same. I would ask you why it is that the Watchtower owns stock in a company that almost exclusively has US Defense Dept. contracts..................hmmmm.....what were you saying about hypocracy?
Anonymous writes: "Isn't it wrong to go and kill people?"
Signtopia Says: Another fair question. The answer is: Yes......and No. Killing for the fun of it would be wrong. Killing for financial gain would be wrong. Killing people because of an extreme threat to life......well........kill or be killed. Let's put it this way.........when you refuse a life-saving blood transfusion for your child, such killing is not justified. The idea that Jehovah's Witnesses never kill anyone is ludicrous.
Anonymous writes: "The military brainwashes their "soldiers" (or puppets) :) into thinking that its okay to take someone elses life away."
Signtopia Says: Hmmmmm.........really? Let me see......am I supposed to think that people join the military with some pre-disposed idea that everything is all warm and fuzzy and that there will never be any possibility of ever needing to use a weapon?.........are you kidding me?
Anonymous writes: "So why not go agaisnt that instead of going agaisnt a religion who is pro-peace?
Signtopia Says: Pro-peace?.........does this mean that the Jehovah's Witnesses cannot find one written sentence in any of their publications that declares that all other religions are their "enemy"? If you have no enemies of your own, then you can say something about being "pro-peace". Furthermore, how can you explain the Watchtower owning the stocks in Regi-Tech, which is involved in those really quiet stealth remote controlled bombers?
Anonymous writes : "Yeah there are terrorists out there and a few bad people, but that's no excuse. :)"
Signtopia Says: Really?........just a few bad people?
Anonymous writes: "And now that i mention it, Muslims or whatever the hell they are, they teach that blowing yourself up and killing everyone who isn't part of their religion is good. And we ALL know that's wrong, so why not go agaisnt them like you are with the JW's? Something else to think about. :)"
Signtopia Says: Are you demanding equal time?......hehehe.......seriously, I cannot write about everything. I am sure you also want me to write about the Scientologists, the Moonies, the Mormons, and even Hasidic Jews.
Anonymous writes: "As far as the sisters, I can boldly claim to everyone that I'm a devoted vegetarian while eating a steak. :) But just because i boldly claim to be one in front of everyone, it must be true right? And that the vegetarian community is WRONG and we should be agaisnt it right? :))"
Signtopia Says: Ahhh so finally you hint about the Venus and Serena Williams issue. For the record, the Williams sisters have stated that they are indeed Jehovah's Witnesses. Anonymous wants to somehow get folks to believe that they are liars. Perhaps the Williams sisters are what you would call "Jehovah's Witness hypocrites".
Anonymous writes: "So far the JW's have been a good example when compared to the other bs religions."
Signtopia Says: Hmmmm........now you want to compare them to all the other religions? That is interesting......I think that is a great idea.........no......wait.........let's start first with comparing them to all other cult groups.
Anonymous writes: "It's kinda funny to see how easily people go agaisnt them."
Signtopia Says: Is it more acceptable for "brother to turn against brother"?
Anonymous writes: "When you see someone in the news, and they happen to be a JW, they always mention that. But when you see a stupid jackass in the news who went on a killing spree, they never mention that he was a catholic, or buddist or some other religion. Why is that? :) Hypocrasy maybe?"
Signtopia Says: For me.......when I see or hear about a JW in the news for nefarious reasons......I then wonder just how many of those were reported where it wasn't mentioned that the perpetrator was a JW. First, surely you understand that there are far more Catholics and Buddhist on the planet than there are Jehovah's Witnesses. Secondly, Catholics and Buddhists generally do not come knocking on everyone's door. Thirdly, the overall perception of Witnesses that come to your door is that they are "nice people" even though we might not all agree with their beliefs. And finally, most JWs never believe that they have people in their own organization that do some very nasty things.....maybe a news report is the only way to inform them.
Anonymous writes: "And if you say that because the JW's teach peace is the reason why the mention it, then I'm a little confused.."
Signtopia Says: I think you are more than a little confused, regardless.
Anonymous writes: "Don't all the other religions teach that? And if not, aren't they all a bunch of nazis and baby killers? so to speak. :) lol."
Signtopia Says: Is this the point where you are somehow justifying the Declaration Of Facts letter that the Watchtower sent to Hitler?........hehehe.
Anonymous writes: "So think about that, if you're agaisnt the JW's you should be agaisnt any other kind of religion because the facts are there that the other religions are hypocrits."
Signtopia Says: Therefore, using your logic, I should dislike all car companies because Ford once made the Pinto.
Anonymous writes: "And if you are in fact agaisnt church's in general, why are you telling people to read any other kind of bibles? Maybe this old geezer is a hypocrit. :) haha.
Signtopia Says: Nice try to suggest that I am "against church's in general". Sorry, but that was no where near a "fact". By the way........I wonder what your definition of "church" is. Regarding other bibles...........the only so-called "bible" that I have ever told anyone to not read is the New World Translation, it isn't worth the paper it is written on.